In this Prime Talk Podcast Sponsored by GETIDA – Nick Shucet – partnership manager at MDS -, talks about how eCommerce and a seller community turned his life around and also more information about his life’s journey. #NickShucet #ecombroker
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Yoni Mazor 0:05
Everybody welcome to another episode of prime talk today I’m proud to have a special guest. I’m having Nick Coquette. Nick is a few things. He’s a seven-figure Amazon seller, but he’s also the partnership manager of MDs, which is the million-dollar seller. But he’s also the podcast host of the million-dollar seller’s podcast show. So Nick, welcome to the show.
Nick Shucet 0:26
Yeah, man, thanks for having me on Yoni. Appreciate it.
Yoni Mazor 0:29
Our pleasure. Really. I was kind of looking forward to this. Today’s episode is going to be the story of you writing the story of next year, you’re going to share with us everything. Who are you? Where are you from? Where’d you go up? Where’d you go to school? How do you bring your professional career, station to station until you reach where you are today, especially in the world of E-commerce? So without further ado, let’s jump right into it.
Nick Shucet 0:50
Alright, love it. Let’s do it. Okay, take it to the beginning. Yeah, man. So, you know, as a kid I grew up, we kind of bounced around a little bit. You know, I was born in Phoenix, Arizona. My sister was born in Richmond, Virginia. I don’t remember much of that stuff. I was pretty young. But then we landed near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in a place called Moon Township.
Yoni Mazor 1:14
For these changes, what kind of environment like what’s the I guess your parents had to move around? What kind of? Yeah,
Nick Shucet 1:20
So, my dad was he’s always been involved in transportation. One way or another, he got his degree in history, which is kind of funny. But yeah, he landed up in engineering. So, you know, my dad’s not like the engineering type, not like a strong math guy or anything like that. But he was a very good executive. And he’s retired now. But he ended up having his own business. But that’s what moved him around is he found his thing in transportation. And he was good at just bringing teams together like a true CEO. So he was good at that and got new opportunities. And that’s what led him to bounce around. And then he settled in that moon township for a little bit before, before moving to Virginia Beach in 2000. Where I live now,
Yoni Mazor 2:11
Your mother was also involved in other industries, or what was her occupation?
Nick Shucet 2:14
My mom, just took care of the kids, man, she was a full-time mom, and I’ve got two older brothers that live with us and a younger sister at the time. So she was she had her hands full with all four kids.
Yoni Mazor 2:27
Is Gotta god okay? Around them though, the Virginia Beach area and growing up, your father seems like, you know, he’s a unique personality and in the fact that he, he’s able to can entrepreneurs are really good at creating in organizational structures, and then performance. So you know, you know, generates success and what it does. But for you, when you were growing up, were you involved? Like, what were you involved with? Are you anything entrepreneurial, and you get into trouble? Share with us a little bit about your environment growing up?
Nick Shucet 2:55
Yeah, man. So you know, my, I’ve learned this now, but my father had his issues, right, financial issues, and, and when I was a kid, I just saw that he was gone a lot like he was working and traveling, doing great things. I always enjoyed his presence when he was home. But he was always gone. And I had a lot of energy, I had a lot of curiosity and motivation and no direction. So I wanted to do all these great things. I wanted to take all these great risks, and school and life didn’t give me the outlet to do those things. So I found other ways to do that work, which did not treat me very well. But you know, with my dad being gone, and my parents splitting up, eventually, in I was like 10 years old, and they had split up. I didn’t have like, consequences or rules or anything like that. And I kind of ran wild.
Yoni Mazor 3:58
You are still with your father or your mother when after the separation, or both. After the
Nick Shucet 4:03
Separation ended up if I stayed with my mom for a little bit before we moved to Virginia Beach. So they lived in neighborhoods across from each other in moon Township, which was nice. And I lived with my stepfather and my mom for a little bit, which was cool. My stepfather is a great guy. We have a great relationship to this day. But then when my dad moved to Virginia Beach, my mom thought I should go with my dad and his wife, and I did and my mom was like, I was more scared of my mom and my dad like my mom would chase me around the house. Like she would come after me man.
Yoni Mazor 4:40
She appreciated the fact that it can be kind of more you know on the loose side of things.
Nick Shucet 4:44
I appreciated it then I think now I look back on it and I think I needed those. I think I needed that bell a little more
Yoni Mazor 4:51
Your kids and children or teenagers and listening to this. The infrastructure is good. The framework is good when you grow up you know I want you already grown And then you have all these limitations Where are just maybe mental or not, it’s not supposed to be there to hold you back from doing things that you like and be successful. That’s a different dimension. But as you’re growing up, if you have parents that love you and care for you want you to do the right things and be involved in the right things. I think that’s very valuable. And once we’re in that moment, we don’t appreciate it. It’s just like, human nature.
Nick Shucet 5:18
Yeah. So I moved out with my I had, so I started getting in trouble during that timeframe, after the split, started experimenting with like, you know, cigarettes and weed, I was pretty young, I was like, 11 years old, you know, and I just couldn’t be controlled, like, I was kind of wild. And, you know, I wasn’t a small kid, I was a bigger kid. And, you know, people couldn’t, you know, my mom couldn’t wrap me up anymore. And I called me back and the belt whipping, the belt stopped hurting and stuff like that. So, I started experimenting with drugs and alcohol and got into a crowd of kids that were kind of in a similar situation as me. And when I moved, I carried that with me.
Yoni Mazor 6:07
So this was going to being in Pennsylvania, when he moved to Virginia Beach, you’re already in that dimension.
Nick Shucet 6:12
I was already in that dimension. And I was already looking like, as soon as I moved here, I was already looking for those people to surround myself with, because I kind of got it in my head, that that was my way to do all these great things I wanted to do like I
Yoni Mazor 6:32
Just being cool. You’re trying to be cool, yes. Do the cool stuff.
Nick Shucet 6:37
And I had no desire to follow the path that school had laid out for me, you know, you’d go to school, go to college, get a job, you know, get retire. And you know, maybe you enjoy this little slice of time, once you retire. Like, I felt like they were, the world was trying to sell me on something that I had. I didn’t want any part of and I didn’t know how to get out. And nobody was, I didn’t know anything about being an entrepreneur. I didn’t know anything about this other life that I’m involved with now. And that’s ultimately what pushed me further down the hall, the hole of like, the drugs and the alcohol and the partying, and that whole scene. And
Yoni Mazor 7:20
What does it take us through those? Yeah, what’s your next question? I guess it comes to an extreme or, you know, a climax. Take us through those moments. And we’ll see how you climb out of those dimensions into a brand new life suffers.
Nick Shucet 7:31
Yeah, so I moved to Virginia Beach, you know, I was like, 12 years old, I started going to school around here, I got into surfing, which was a great thing that I still do. You know, I got into that big time. But I eventually found my way into the group here that was involved in drugs and alcohol. And, you know, I never skipped school a lot. I did well in school, like, I was smart, as intelligent to figure things out, I just didn’t want to be there. So I would skip school a lot. And I eventually, kind of like worked my way up this social ladder. And that group I was involved with became pretty popular in that world.
Yoni Mazor 8:15
Would you call this like, for lack of a better word is like a gang or something a local gang or a local like, group.
Nick Shucet 8:24
Not really like a gang just like a group of kids that were a little on the wild side and involved with drugs and alcohol and doing risky things, and not worrying about the consequences and being very rebellious. And you know, just making teenage rebels. Yeah, very, very rebellious. And, you know, I, you know, doing things like graffiti and, you know, breaking stuff and just, you know, being reckless like that, but the big issue that I look back on and realize is that I was self-medicating, like depression and anxiety, ADHD, with drugs and alcohol, and taking risks and not worrying about the consequences. So it took me a long time to realize that because when you hear the words depression, you think of sadness you think I think of someone like in a corner that won’t come out, you know, that’s contemplating maybe suicide or something like that. And now that and anxiety is kind of the same, right? Like someone very anxious, like, oh my god, I’m not going to cross the road and stuff like this.
Nick Shucet 9:29
And that was my idea of it. So I never thought of myself as having that when I was a child. So I never thought about seeking help. And I just continued to self-medicate very heavily, which landed me very embedded in this community of you know, drug dealers and serious law breakers and, you know, guns and fights in like really serious situations. I’ve had multiple Near-Death Experiences. I mean, I’ve, and I’ve had guys I’ve been held at gunpoint. I’ve been robbed, I’ve been jumped. I’ve been incarcerated multiple times since I was a juvenile. I was on probation for drugs, I got caught with marijuana. And I was out with someone. And we were in a neighborhood, and we were riding around on our bikes. And I noticed my buddy, he’s at someone’s house. And he’s like, he’s trying to get in their door. And I’m like, what are you doing? What the hell are you doing? He was trying to break into someone’s house. And I was there with him. And I was on probation.
Nick Shucet 10:36
And the cops came, we all got it, we got arrested. And that was kind of like my final strike. And I ended up going to a juvenile prison for 15 months. So even though I wasn’t involved in this breaking situation, I was there. And I had this record. And you know, that, Nick, you’re done as you’ve already been, you’ve had multiple chances like you’re done. So they sent me off to this place for 15 months. And that was the first time I had ever been locked up. Like I had been in trouble before. But that was the first time I had been locked up. And it was wild, like I you know, I ended up at a local place, and you get processed there, you spend some time there while they figure out where you’re going to what they’re going to do with you. And then they sent me to this place called RDC Richmond detention center. And that’s if you’re going to go to prison, that’s where they process all these people. So it’s like this sent from
Yoni Mazor 11:32
The state. Yeah, from the state. From Yeah,
Nick Shucet 11:35
Yeah. And then they decide where you’re going to spend how much time you’re going to get and where you’re going to spend that time. But at this place in RDC, you’re there with everyone that, you know, guys like me who were involved with drugs, the guys who had you know, murdered somebody, you know, all this crazy stuff, you’re in there with all these people that have done all these things, they figured out what you’re going to do and that was the scariest place I’ve ever been in my life.
Nick Shucet 12:07
The people there you know, young kids 1617 for testosterone and just wild so a lot of gang stuff, a lot of fights a lot of you know, stealing and beating up and gang initiation stuff. So it was a really scary place to be in. And you know, I look back on it and me, me,
Nick Shucet 12:28
I mean it allows me to really be a good risk taker and not really be scared of anything because I’ve been in that place but at the same time, I kind of hate that I had to go through that time in my life. So I got out of there and ended up going somewhere that was going to spend my time doing my thing I got my GED there so I never graduated high school. I got my GED while I was incarcerated there it’s seven months in one place did good, you know, they’re like, alright, Nick, we’re going to send you to this other place, you know, for people who aren’t you know, getting in fights and getting involved in gangs and, and breaking the rules here. So I got to go to this other place, which was nice as a natural bridge it was in Virginia where I live now. So it was kind of like a familiar area somewhat. And I got it was a nice man like they treated you good there, they didn’t treat you like a hardened criminal or anything like this was more than
Yoni Mazor 13:26
A waiver is more of a rehabilitating for you in a way. So you know, it’s not a test environment, it opens you up to like you said, Do your GED and you know, start climbing out.
Nick Shucet 13:35
Yeah, and it allowed me to kind of explore some things that I might enjoy doing later on in life and I got into a gardening program there because I wanted to be outdoors and I helped build a garden at this place. And you know, they fed us they use those vegetables that we were growing there and stuff to cook food and things like that. So that was my first introduction to like health and fitness I got into health and fitness when a few years later, I decided to clean my life up. That was like what became my first passion was health and fitness. And it stemmed from that time of you know, building those gardens and growing those vegetables and stuff like that.
Yoni Mazor 14:17
And yeah, the seeds help with stone and the seeds that you’re planting in the ground to make sure you get some nice fruits and vegetables out of it. Yeah, okay, so when you got released Well, I guess what was your next station? What was the next point of your trajectory?
Nick Shucet 14:30
When did I got released? Unfortunately, I still didn’t. I wasn’t rehabilitated from drugs and alcohol. And I still was depressed and anxious and worried about my future and not happy about that.
Yoni Mazor 14:44
Although you got released by the way, what year was that? And How old are you?
Nick Shucet 14:48
I was 16 going on 17 when I got released
Yoni Mazor 14:54
While you’re were 17
Nick Shucet 14:58
I always have trouble thinking about the years
Yoni Mazor 15:02
The early 2000s, late 2000s, and late 90s
Nick Shucet 15:05
From Yeah, it was late. It was like 2004 I think when I came home. No, no, no, no. Yeah, 2004
Yoni Mazor 15:14
But 2004 you’re 16 you head out he said, Okay, so in a way, there was a good season that was sown in that time there. So sometimes something goes happening, but same time, you’re still lingering on, you’re you know, your issues with anxiety and depression. And only things you know, you were familiar with are the same routine, which wasn’t a healthy routine. So you got back again.
Nick Shucet 15:34
Yeah, I got back into it, man. And I also had like, really low self-confidence in a lot of things. And that was a big issue for me as well. Like, I didn’t know how to approach women I was interested in or, you know, accomplish the goals I had set for myself. And that led to a lot of negative self-talk in my mind, which I think a lot of people deal with, right? Like it’s just it’s a crappy place to be it makes it hard to do anything when you don’t believe you can do it.
Yoni Mazor 16:08
And these are the formative years I think probably most if not all, teenage, you know, teenagers feel that lack of confidence where am I going Am I was enlightened was not going to like me, family friends, community women is a formative year where everybody’s experiencing those experiences, but for you is a bit more dramatic because you’ve um, it wasn’t as good or supportive or healthy, and was trapping you into the substance but which was not therapeutic, it was a numbing the pain, but these things underneath the ground are kind of still lingering, and not being resolved. So what was the next session through you know, from that point? Yeah,
Nick Shucet 16:44
So I got back into the same old stuff. Yeah, I started hanging out with the same friends and things like that. started experimenting with new drugs, you know, I got into like, hallucinogenic, and cocaine and drugs like that, that further just propelled me down that that rabbit hole, and then I eventually I ended up, I started selling drugs to support my lifestyle, and also to elevate my social status. Right? So like, that was my way of, you know, becoming the man right? Like, that’s how I saw it working out. And I mean, it did like I’m, if you know, me, like, I kind of go all-in on anything I’m involved in. So I went all-in on that, which put me in touch with some dangerous people. And, you know, I kind of became somewhat dangerous myself, you know, to be involved with just because of this community that I had started.
Yoni Mazor 17:47
These are dangerous because your environment travels with people and just, you know, keep some of this ecosystem where, you know, basically you outlaws are the dangerous because violent by nature advantages can erupt at any moment, or both of these.
Nick Shucet 17:59
So I was never like, violent because of the people that they could be introduced to, by knowing me, you know, introducing into bad situations. Back then I wasn’t I’ve never really been a very violent person. But I would if I got backed into a corner because I had low self-confidence. I really wouldn’t defend myself, I was somewhat of a pushover, but people didn’t know that about me. I only knew that in my head, I was always a kind of a bigger person taller or a little bit stronger. So, you know, people didn’t mess with me. But there were some people that I did start to surround myself with who, you know, they would test my boundaries, they would test my limits. And it was only until I got like, really backed into a corner kind of like a scared wild animal. You know, that I would become violent and try to pin myself
Yoni Mazor 18:57
The balance is physical or is it guns or
Nick Shucet 19:00
For me, it was physical. I was smart enough to know that I had no business having a gun. You know, I had no business doing that. Yeah. So I never owned a weapon myself.
Yoni Mazor 19:13
We’re gonna see you move up the ranks. You becoming dangerous to solve your you know, you’re involved with even more dangerous, you know, I guess, crowd and what happened next?
Nick Shucet 19:22
Yeah, so I just after a lot of a few years of like partying and, you know, doing crazy stuff, I encountered some situations that pushed me to kind of rethink what I was doing. And two situations stick out. There was one time I got into a fight at a party we were at, I dropped someone off. I come back to the party I walk in. I see my best friend who’s still my best friend to this day. He is someone who had stabbed him and he’s bleeding out of his arm. And I see the guy that did it and I went over that pulled them off of them and I was taking care of that situation. And then that guy’s brother stabbed me and I got stabbed in the back of the head here. I had to get seven staples to get rushed to
Yoni Mazor 20:05
The hospital. So it was time for the brother of the guy that stabbed your friend,
Nick Shucet 20:09
The brother of the guy that stabbed my friend. Why did he stab you? Because? Because I was beating the crap out of his brother. Oh, got it got his brother had stabbed my friend that makes that. Yeah, so I was on top of that guy over top of him. And his brother came behind me and bam got me right in the head, which sounds crazy, but it’s probably fortunate because it’s mostly bone up there. So I didn’t get like, super seriously injured.
Yoni Mazor 20:43
Thank god. Okay, so that was the first element was the second element.
Nick Shucet 20:48
The second one, you know, after I did those 15 months, those 15 months straight, and then I was in and out of jail a lot for alcohol possession and drug possession, little things like that. But then when I was 19, I got arrested. And I got caught with an ounce and a half of cocaine. And it was bagged up in different baggies, I had a scale. So I got possession with intent to distribute charge, which is a pretty serious charge. And at that time, I was also pretty heavily addicted. Like I was using a lot of those. I was using cocaine daily a lot.
Yoni Mazor 21:28
It was 2007 Already 19 is about 2007 Right. So there are three years where you’re you know, you got released from that, you know, RTC, right detention center, three years you’re on and you know, you become deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole and then out of prisons, but the climax to 2007, you know, possession with intent to distribute hard narcotics. And what happened?
Nick Shucet 21:52
Yes, I was in the back of that cop car. And I was happy. Because I knew that I was I knew I was something had shifted in me at that moment. And I was like, I don’t know how I’m going to change I don’t know my way out. But I know I want to. And that was the first time I meant it. Like I wanted to change. So I get arrested. I go to Virginia Beach City Jail they put me in this frickin I don’t know if this was scarier than RTC or not, man, but I was because of the nature of my charge. I was considered an I forget the term an aggressive criminal. And I get put into this place called they call it the gladiator block. Like it’s this little slim hallway with like maybe seven or nine cells and you’re in there with two to three people. There are some picnic tables to eat over
Yoni Mazor 22:48
The maximum-security penitentiary kind of style, or no, it
Nick Shucet 22:51
Was a city jail. It’s a city jail, but it’s like the highest security city jail of the jail. Yeah. And I was in there with people that were on trial for murder. And you know, like crazy things. There’s a lot of game stuff going on in there. So it was scary. And I’ve always been blessed. Like there’s always I’ve always had some sense of luck, like, nothing bad happened to me in there, fortunately, but it was a very scary place to be. And I knew I wanted to get out I you know, I started to like getting into religion and like reading the Bible, and exercising and meditation and like, you know, talking about talking with other people that were in there about, you know, trying to make a change.
Nick Shucet 23:36
There weren’t very many of them in there to talk about that stuff with. But I did and I wrote a letter to the judge. You know, I was like, Hey, I’m 19 I know I’ve been in, I’ve been in and out of trouble. I know, my record looks terrible. I was like, but I want to change, like, I’m addicted to drugs. I don’t think I’m a bad person. I don’t want to be a bad person, I want to get out of this life. And, you know, I was fortunate that she read that letter, and she said, Okay, I’m going to allow you to go out to get bonded out for 30 days, and you’re going to go to this rehab place. And I was like, okay, and she was like, you have to come back though.
Nick Shucet 24:14
You have to come back here after your 30 days. I was like, All right. Okay. So I get out, I go to this rehab place in Winchester, Virginia. And at this time, I’m like, I’m going through a lot of changes. I’m starting to connect a lot of dots, I guess you could say it’s a very spiritual moment for me. And Winchester, Virginia is where my mother grew up. And my grandfather was and I had family there and I’m just like, man, you know, not a coincidence. Like, something is going on here and I get to the rehab. And the rehab is right across the street from the cemetery where my grandfather’s buried. There are all these things are just going yeah, and I’m just like, man, you know, and it’s pushing me in a good direction.
Nick Shucet 24:57
I remember getting there that night and it was all ran by former drug addicts. Right. So the characters in there are pretty interesting, you know, great people, but very interesting. And I get there, they open this pamphlet. And it’s like, you know, asking about the things that I’ve done in my past. And, you know, have you used this drug? How much of this drug? Have you done this? Have you done that? And that was the first moment, I’d ever been honest with someone else about all the things I had been doing. And that was a very powerful moment for me. Because it just felt so good to like, finally get that stuff out. Because up until then, I was always very worried about how people had perceived me. So it was It felt so good, just to be honest about everything. I just like
Yoni Mazor 25:47
A half house. What do you call these facilities if they put you in a regular neighborhood, but it’s like a halfway house or something? I don’t know. So this
Nick Shucet 25:54
Is a facility called Edge Hill, I believe it’s still in operation today. It was like a, like a house with a bunch of rooms in it. And you had these rules that you had to follow. And you had to go to seven AAA or NA meetings a day. So that was a big part of it. And then, of course, anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous. Yeah.
Yoni Mazor 26:16
What is an Alcoholics Anonymous? Yeah,
Nick Shucet 26:19
I bounced around between both, I really kind of fit in with the older crowd better, because I saw just a lot of wisdom and everything they were talking about, and things like that. So I ended up going to a lot of AAA meetings more than in a lot of crossovers. Like it doesn’t matter.
Yoni Mazor 26:38
Substance, both of them as Yeah,
Nick Shucet 26:40
And the programs are the same. But we had like chores we had to do and stuff like that. So I learned like responsibilities, how to take care of myself how to kind of manage, how to manage everything going on, and a house, which is very similar to a business, right, you’ve got all these things that need to be done, and you need people to do them, and you need to make sure they’re done to a certain standard. So I learned a lot of that stuff there. And also the next big climax in my life, there was I learned the power of manifesting the life that you want. And, you know, the judge said, I had to go back after those 30 days and something it just hit me I was like, I’m not going back. I’m not going to go back. Like, I’m going to do all the right things. And they’re going to let me go to the Oxford house, and they’re not going to make me go back to jail. Everyone thought I was crazy. My dad, my mom.
Yoni Mazor 27:39
Oh, let me get this straight. Oh, yeah, you’re at this facility for 30 days. And you have to go back to the penitentiary. So what was the whole point of putting you out there for 30 days?
Nick Shucet 27:49
To get rehabilitated to
Yoni Mazor 27:52
Measure for the substance abuse, because absence of God,
Nick Shucet 27:56
They have a program inside of the jail to do that, but it’s like a seven-month waitlist and stuff like that. And of course, I didn’t want to be in jail. Right? So I told my lawyer, I was like, man, you know, let’s, let’s, let’s Can I go somewhere that’s outside of the jail, like, I don’t want to sit in here for seven months just to go somewhere else to a different room in the same place. So I did all the right things for those 30 days, you know, I went to all the meetings, I worked hard on myself, I got involved in a lot of spiritual things, read a lot of great books, and implemented a lot of that stuff I was learning so you know, self-help and stuff are pretty big these days.
Nick Shucet 28:43
And, and people talk about you read this book, read that book, but I was intensely applying all this stuff to my life. And I was very fortunate to have the time to do it. Right. And I think that’s, it’s sad that people don’t get that opportunity these days. Because we’re pushed to go to school, go to college, get a job. And when I look back on my life, I’m grateful that I ended up there and that I had those 30 days to apply all these spiritual techniques to my life and make this change. You know, so it’s very, I think it’s very important that if you’re struggling with something, you know, pull the plug, take a break, take two weeks off and go work on yourself. Yeah, because the reward that is on the other side of that can last a lifetime. And whatever happens in those two weeks, whatever goes wrong, probably really isn’t that bad in the big scheme of things. So I’m very blessed and grateful that I had the
Yoni Mazor 29:49
that today looking back you see it as an as a negative thing that happened to you were able to turn it into a positive thing and you were able to take them over to breathe, work for yourself and set up that sharks
Yoni Mazor 30:00
For your real future, in a good way. So what happens? So after those 30 days, you’re supposed to go back
Nick Shucet 30:06
30 days I’m, I get in the car and I’m going back. I’m like shit, you know, like, I’m going back. I’m not I wasn’t right. But we got one hour away in Williamsburg, Virginia, we’re in the car, my dad gets a call from the lawyer, the lawyer says turn around. He’s going to the auction, I got him into the Oxford house, you know, so I’m just like, blown away. I’m
Yoni Mazor 30:28
The Oxford houses where he said before,
Nick Shucet 30:31
No, the Oxford is a sober living home, where you live with a group of people that don’t want to live this life. And
Yoni Mazor 30:41
For you, it’s a holy grail, you can be there instead of in prison. Yes, perfect.
Nick Shucet 30:46
God, I can be there instead of in prison. And I could get to continue to work on myself. So I ended up being in there for three years at the house, which is like, I mean, I lived a regular life, I had a job. I worked on a farm at community-supported agriculture, you know, I’m growing vegetables, I’m, you know, grow raising chickens, and cows and all this stuff that I enjoyed doing. I loved that I did it for free. Because it was like they were a start-up kind of, and they didn’t really,
Yoni Mazor 31:18
This is really, really good. Use your hands. You know you want the people. You’re not in the race of, you know, economy and monetary gains, in a way, in Israel, I’m from Israel. So we have three years of military, you barely get paid, I don’t call it money we do for the kind of a greater higher good, I think it’s healthy an